Mourning and excuses of Answering-Ansar

Answering-Ansar  while trying to defend the barbarous acts of self flagellation consulted Bible also. But it couldn’t stop deceptions even while trying to prove mourning from Bible.

Answering-Ansar in trying to prove mourning from Bible tried to take evidence from Luke 23:48

Let’s read Luke 23:48

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done, smote their breasts, and returned.

But the next verse shows that these people were the Shias of Kufa

And like the ahlelbayt of Imam Hussain, the companions of Jesus didn’t beat themselves.

Luke 23:49

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)

And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things.

http://kingjbible.com/luke/23.htm

We read in Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible

Luke 23:48

And all the people that came together to that sight, beholding the things which were done, smote their breasts, and returned.

And all the people that came together to that sight,…. To see the execution of Jesus; and some of them might be his inveterate enemies, and came to insult him, and did insult him; many of these, though not every individual of them:

beholding the things which were done; the eclipse, earthquake, &c.

smote their breasts; as conscious of guilt, and as fearing some dreadful judgment would fall upon them, and their nation, for this sin of crucifying Christ. The Persic version reads, “they went back, and kneeled down, and prostrated themselves to the ground”; as being in the utmost astonishment, confusion, fear, and dread:

and returned; to the city, and to their own houses, where they might more seriously, and with the greater composure of mind, reflect on these things.

Luke 23:49

And all his acquaintance, and the women that followed him from Galilee, stood afar off, beholding these things.

And all his acquaintance,…. That were related to him in a natural, or in a spiritual sense, or both, as his own mother, and beloved disciple John, who were both present, John 19:26 or those that were known unto him, and familiar with him, who attended on his ministry, and often conversed, and were intimately acquainted with him:

and the women that followed him from Galilee; among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Joses, and Salome the mother of Zebedee’s children:

stood afar off; from the cross:

beholding these things; with wonder, as well as looking upon their dear suffering Lord, with aching hearts, and flowing eyes.

http://gill.biblecommenter.com/luke/23.htm

Now the question is, does the Answering-Ansar wants us to follow those who came to watch the execution of Jesus and beated themselves after his supposed execution or the friends of Jesus who wept but didn’t join them in self beating?

We should make it clear that we don’t believe in the crucifixion theory, but we just wanted to show the deceptive ways of Answering-Ansar.

Afterwards Answering-Ansar says:

If there is absence of explicit permission then there is absence of prohibition also

Answering-Ansar finally accepts that there is absence of explicit permission of mourning. But as far as its claim that there is absence of prohibition, we disagree, because there are clear sayings of the Prophet (s) and the Imams of ahlelbayt in both Shia and Sunni books which prohibits from self flagellation and wailing etc.

For example,

Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 187
It is narrated on the authority of Abu Burda that Abu Musa fell unconscious and his wife Umm Abdullah came there and wailed loudly. When he felt relief he said: Don’t you know? -and narrated to her: Verily the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I have no concern with one who shaved her hair, lamented loudly and tore (her clothes in grief).

Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 56 :: Hadith 721
Narrated ‘Abdullah (bin Mas’ud):
The Prophet said, “Who-ever slaps his face or tears the bosom of his dress, or calls the calls of the Period of Ignorance, is not from us.”

Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 58 :: Hadith 189
Narrated Sufyan:
‘Ubaidullah said: “I heard Ibn ‘Abbas saying, “Following are some traits of the people of the pre-Islamic period of ignorance (i) to defame the ancestry of other families, (ii) and to wail over the dead.” ‘Ubaidullah forgot the third trait. Sufyan said, “They say it (i.e. the third trait) was to believe that rain was caused by the influence of stars (i.e. if a special star appears it will rain).”

And similar ahadith are present in Shia books

It has been narrated from Jabir ibn Abdullah that the Messenger of Allah held the hand of Abdur Rahman bin Awf and led him to his son Ibrahim. The Prophet took him in his lap and wept. Abdur Rahman said : Do you also weep (O Messenger of Allah)?. Haven’t you forbidden from weeping? The Prophet (s) said : No , but I have forbidden you from wailing over dead, and from two foolish voices,  tone of amusement and musical instruments of shaitan and the voice at calamity, clawing (scratching) of face, tearing of clothes and clang of shaitan.

Mustadrak al wasail, by Mirza Nuri, Vol. 2, p. 458

Maskan al fuad , by Shahid Thani p. 93

This tradition is also present in Sunan Tirmidhi, Vol. 3, p. 328 (Tirmidhi and Albani grades Hasan)  and  Musnad abd ibn humayd, Vol. 3, p. 127

Imam Ja’far Sadiq (as) has said that patience and hardships, both comes to the believer, hence on the appearance of hardships, he exhibit patience and  adversities and impatience comes to kafir hence on the appearance of adversities, he exhibits signs of Jaza’
Al-Kafi, Volume 3 page 223 (Majlisi grades Hasan kal sahih, see Mirat ul Uqul 14/183)

So we see that there is explicit prohibition of self flagellation.

Afterwards, Answering-Ansar says:

It is quite clear that holding mourning of Imam Husayn (as) by means of Matam (chest beating) or Zanjeer (blood letting) is to give physical expression of sympathy for Imam Husayn (as). It expresses nothing but love and loyalty for the Ahl’ul bayt (as).

Love through zanjeer zani (shedding blood by beating yourself with chains like an insane)? Islam is free of such nonsense.

 

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